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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 10:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Thanks for the info, Monte.

I share the OWS anger and applaud their rights to and subsequent protests, but part of me is pretty upset that these same protesters were no-shows for the 2010 Congressional elections, and allowed Tea Party Republicans--well funded by the likes of the billionaire Koch Bros., to put in position of power freshman Congressman who will NEVER allow a tax hike of any kind--especially on rich people--to go thru.

My question is: Where were these same people when Russ Feingold was getting voted out of Wisconsin & Gov. Union-Killer was getting voted in? Where were they when the seat to be filled by that moron dick-texter Weiner went Republican in NY? Or around the country in general in 2010 when the GOP took control of the House and nearly the Senate? They were upset b/c Obama turned out to be just another politician and not the savior who walks on water they all thught he was supposed to be? They were "discouraged" b/c he didn't fix all their problems? So their solution was to NOT VOTE and allow an even worse alternative to take the reins???

My point is: Protests are great, but ELECTIONS matter. All the clever signs and slogans and chanting are a wonderful way to let off steam but they won't bring about a retrun of the Glass-Steagall Act, they won't put in place the kind of perfectly reasonable regulations Elizabeth Warren has been calling for to keep the banks in line, and they won't prevent Tea Bagger politicians from trying to dismantle the EPA.

The choices are horrible on either side--but if these people are serious about change, there are grass roots Progressive candidates in every state in the country, and they'd be better spending their time trying to get THOSE people elected to office so change can ACTUALLY HAPPEN rather than having a bunch of drum circles for Fox News to make fun of and have business as usual resume once Pres. Romney gets the seat.


Let's see if the OWS movement actually makes a difference where it counts.

My 2 cents.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 28, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I'd bet you dollars to donuts that the percentage of OWS protestors who vote is higher than the national average. Why do you presume otherwise? And while I accept your point that elections matter, elections are not the only important political act. As UncleJohn said in another thread, they certainly have succeeded in framing the national debate, one way or another.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 29, 2011 6:01am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News


Seniors comprise the highest voting group in the nation. No one votes in greater numbers than those over 55. Citizens who fell into older age groups (45-64 and 65-plus) had the highest voting rates (69 percent and 70 percent, respectively in 2008, according to the US Census Bureau figures on voting rates). There are a few gray-hairs at OWS but let's face it--it's not an AARP movement.

and this from the NY Times: Voters under 30 were the only age group to support Democrats (in 2010) but made up just 11 percent of the electorate, typical for a midterm election. By contrast, voters aged 60 and older represented 34 percent of voters, their highest proportion in exit polls since 1982. Catholics, independents and voters age 60 and older also sided with Republicans by margins not seen since 1982.

Seniors in places like Florida and Arizona are the ones who are scared shitless by issues like health care ("Government get your hands off my Medicare!" is one of the classic Tea Party protest signs of complete and utter self-contradiction that emerged during the Obamacare debacle--held by a senior citizen and perfectly satirized in a week of Doonesbury cartoons that followed--and of course immigration, which plays like a violin to the fears of old white people, and is fueled by the likes of Fox News daily.)

My proof that young people didn't vote is evidenced by the 2010 Congressional elections, and the numbers show that young people stayed away in droves. (If the same people carrying signs at OWS did participate, Feingold would still be a Senator in WI. and there would be no GOv. Walker; and the tidal wave of ultra-conservative GOP freshmen ushered in to throw gunk in the machinery of Govt. would not have happened.) But they didn't--and it's no mystery why: Many people who were all hot for Obama and voted for him in 2008 were disillusioned that 2 years on the economy was still mired by Bush and Co.'s war spending, de-regulation-fueled Wall St. meltdown and record deficit, and took the classic "Oh, I guess voting is a waste of time" stance and didn't UNDERSTAND the importance of the numbers game that unfortunately rules Washington (i.e. If we have enough numbers to block any legislation from the other side from ever seeing the light of day we will)....thus--Scott Brown wins in Mass., and the GOP has enough votes in the Senate to kill any Public Option health Care bill and Obama caves on that, settling for a watered-down version that just delivers 30 Mil. more people into the hands of drooling insurance companies.

The proof is in what happened. The 2010 elections were a conservative landslide. I'm no pollster but I'll bet you dollars to donuts if you asked the young people banging on drums right now if they voted in 2010 they'd look at you blankly and say "no, man...but THIS is the revolution."

No, dude. It isn't.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:13pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News


How metaphysically uncreative!

Just say "you are stupid", "fox news sucks", and "occupy something".


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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

"Occupy everything" is still my favorite. I tried but I couldn't spread myself that thin!!!!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2011 1:00pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Mother, should I trust the government?


Oh, BTW, I just released summer stadium dates....

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2011-11-04 20:00:35